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としたところでにしたところでにしたってEven in that case; even for

These forms select a person, category, or assumed situation and concede that even in that case, the following difficulty or limitation remains. They often suggest that the selected case may look exceptional, but it still cannot escape the same conclusion.

The key idea

The speaker first chooses a case that might seem capable of producing a better result, then says that the same obstacle still applies. Natural conclusions include inability, lack of a meaningful exception, limited influence, or a result no better than in other cases.

People and exceptional-looking cases

With a noun, the construction means “even for that person or case” or “even from that position.”

しゃちょうにしたところでかいしゃのすべてを一人ひとりめられるわけではない。

Even the company president cannot decide everything alone.

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どんなめいにしたって、すべてのびょうなおせるわけじゃない。

Even the finest doctor cannot cure every illness.

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The shorter form suits this direct, conversational statement.

さいしんしゅにしたところでていでんすればうごかない。

Even the latest model will not work if the power goes out.

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Selecting an assumed situation

After a clause, use としたところで to grant an assumption before explaining why it would not materially change the outcome. This often translates as “even assuming that” or “even if.”

かりりをいっしゅうかんばしたとしたところでこんぽんてきひとそくかいしょうしない。

Even if we extended the deadline by a week, the fundamental staff shortage would remain unresolved.

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Viewpoint versus unchanged outcome

The form にしたら simply presents someone's standpoint; it does not itself mean that the person cannot escape the same result. General としても broadly means “even if,” while にしたところで foregrounds a selected person, category, or case and emphasizes that the conclusion remains limited or unchanged.

More examples

わたしにしたって、いつでもれいせいでいられるわけではない。

Even I cannot remain calm all the time.

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ベテランのこうしょうにんにしたところであいはなしこばめばちようがない。

Even a veteran negotiator can do nothing if the other side refuses to talk.

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でんしゃにしたってさいがいかならうごくとはかぎらない。

Even trains are not guaranteed to run during a disaster.

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ぜんいんさんせいしたとしたところでさんがなければけいかくじっこうできない。

Even if everyone agreed, the plan could not be carried out without a budget.

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それがじつとしたっていまはんだんくつがえすほどのしょうにはならない。

Even if that is true, it is not enough evidence to overturn the current decision.

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いちばんやすあんにしたところでとうしょさんえてしまう。

Even the cheapest option would exceed the original budget.

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