としたところで・
にしても and としても with たところで or たって in place of ても: "even for him", "even supposing so". The ところで adds that even then it makes little difference: they can't either, or nothing would change.
even for
Even the company president can't decide everything alone.
the same, in conversation
Even the best doctor can't cure every illness.
even supposing
Even if everyone agreed, the plan couldn't be carried out without a budget.
Even for
Noun + にしたところで／にしたって
Straight onto the noun, with no だ.
Even supposing
Plain form + としたところで／としたって
A noun or a な-adjective keeps だ: 事実だとしたって. 仮に often opens the sentence.
| Neutral | Weightier, in argument | Casual speech |
|---|---|---|
| にしても | に | に |
| としても | とした | と |
After a noun, this にしても is "for them too": 社長にしても, "for the president too".
- Before it
- Someone or something you might expect to be the exception: 社長, どんな名医, 最新の機種. Also yourself: 私にしたって. Or a supposition.
- After it
- Usually a negative or a limit: わけではない, とは限らない, できない, くらいだ. Casual にしたって is freer, like にしても.
- Where you'll meet it
- にしたって and としたって in conversation. The long forms when someone argues a point, aloud or in writing.
In use
I can't stay calm all the time either.
Even the latest model won't work if the power goes out.
Even if that is true, it isn't enough evidence to overturn the current decision.
Even he can do little more than give advice.
No negative here; くらいだ sets the limit.
Two set phrases
In casual speech それにしても (even so) and どっちにしても (either way) also come out as それにしたって and どっちにしたって.
Even so, keeping us waiting three whole hours is too much.
Either way, it won't be finished today.
Close neighbours
The neutral forms. What follows them can be anything: a wish or a plan as well as a "can't".
Even if it costs a little more, I want to choose a product that will last.
たところでN1
Straight after a verb's た-form: even if you did it, it wouldn't help.
Even if we hurry, we won't make the last train anyway.
Steps into someone's place: how it looks or feels from there. There is no "even" in it.
To a child, a week feels like a very long time.
Check yourself
1Which ending fits?
どんな
Choose an answer to see why.
2Which one fits?
あの
Choose an answer to see why.
More detail
にしたって also follows a verb, as にしても does.
Even if we do move, we have to save up first.
After a person, としたところで and としたって are found too, with no だ, as in 私としても: 私としたところで、自信があるわけではない, "I'm not sure of it myself either".
More sentences
Even a veteran negotiator can do nothing if the other side refuses to talk.
Trains can't be counted on to run in a disaster either.
Even if we put the deadline back a week, the underlying shortage of staff would not go away.